So I'm new to writing, it's not what I get paid to do and I'm sure that's the same for many of you. Thing is, I joined this tribe because I am currently writing a book...possibly a series of books, not sure how far I want to take the story yet. Are any of you in the same boat? Does anyone have suggestions for a new writer?
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Re: new to writing
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 9:24 AMAdam, welcome!
I'm going to hit you with a bunch of suggestions, in the order in which they come to me. Some can be done now and done easily. Others might be more appropriate for some time down the road.
First: Practice. Keep a journal that you can carry everywhere with you. Record observations, thoughts, ideas, lists, the dialogue you overhear, anything, whether or not it has to do with your story. Make writing an everyday occurrence, because it's the verbal equivalent of exercise. It will develop your storytelling muscles. A journal is also your raw data, so there is no wrong way to do it. Just keep on keepin' on.
Second: Find a good critique group if you can. If you can't, find trusted readers who can give you constructive criticism, like, "I don't understand why Character A is doing Action B. What's his/her/its motivation?" Or, "Take the apostrophe out of 'it's' because you're using it here as a possessive, not a contraction." Or, "Character X has blue eyes in Chapter 2 but yellow eyes in Chapter 6. Did the eyes really change color, or do you have to fix this?" You want people who will give you useful information, not rubber-stamp your manuscript or give you *only* useless, subjective generalizations like, "I love this!" or, "This sucks!"
Third: Find good general writing guides if you need to bone up on grammar, syntax, spelling, punctuation, etc. Do it in tandem with writing your draft, because you want to get your story out on paper and/or pixel now. You can revise it later, using what you've learned in the interim.
Here are some useful online guides:
www.bartleby.com/141/index.html
William Strunk, Jr.'s The Elements of Style: An excellent online version of the classic Strunk & White
grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/
Guide to Grammar and Writing, from the Capital Community College Foundation
andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/
Jack Lynch's Guide to Grammar and Style, which has one of the more useful indexes I've seen
(From what I've seen of your bio page, I think you're fine here. But even though I've been writing and editing for decades, I sometimes have to dive back into my copy of Basic English Handbook or Chicago Manual of Style.)
With respect to science fiction and world-building:
www.larseighner.com/world_bu...ndex.html
Patricia C. Wrede's Worldbuilder, compiled by Lars Seighner. This is an extraordinary checklist of questions that can help you structure the world of your story.
These sites and many more are on a constantly-evolving list I keep of writing, editing, research, and marketing resources:
home.earthlink.net/~emalcohn/ledit.html
I've also given a workshop in character development, both inside and outside the genre:
home.earthlink.net/~emalcohn/create.html
Fourth: Read. Study the books and stories you like. Ask yourself why you like them and examine what the author did to win you over.
Fifth: If you can, go to a convention where you can encounter readers, writers, people in the craft, people in the business. In other words, people who understand you and who know where you're coming from.
For the SF/F focus, next year's Westercon is in Las Vegas:
www.westercon61.org/
With respect to writing in general, the Henderson Writers' Group is local to you:
www.hendersonwritersgroup.com/
HWG also holds the Las Vegas Writer's Conference:
www.lasvegaswritersconference.com/
You can also seek out author appearances at your local library, university, etc. Chances are you'll find people there who are also writing.
If conferences are too much right now, various online forums can provide useful information. One within the sf/f/h/etc. genres is the Rumor Mill at Speculations.com
www.speculations.com/
For more general writing topics:
Poets & Writers Speakeasy Forum
www.pw.org/
The Writer (articles, resources, and forums, etc.)
www.writermag.com/wrt/
Writers' BBS (more than 50 active forums in many genres)
www.writersbbs.com/
The bottom line is to treat writing the way you treat other endeavors. Practice it. Study it. Network with fellow practitioners. Be passionate about it. Keep persevering and don't get discouraged -- this last bit applies both to the act of writing and to marketing your work. If you hit a dead end in your story, try skipping to another section or try another approach. Maybe you need to tell your story in a different order. (The opening chapter in John Berendt's Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil was originally chapter 9.) Maybe you need to use a different point of view character (Sue Grafton originally began writing B is for Burglar using a different character point of view and changed the POV when her original one wasn't working).
I learned about Berendt and Grafton through a terrific little book by Naomi Epel called The Observation Deck.
Feel free to experiment and find what works for you, because one size does not fit all. I was recently on a panel at our local library with two other authors. All of us have been published (my short fiction, poetry, and articles have appeared in dozens of publications beginning in the 1970s and I was a small-press editor in the 1980s). All of us are novelists (the first volume in my series has just been published and a contract for the second book is forthcoming. Another panelist will have a novel and a novella published next year. The third panelist publishes short fiction regularly, edits anthologies, recently won a state arts grant, and has an agent who is shopping her novel out to publishers). Among the three of us, we have written in more than half a dozen different genres. We all have different writing, researching, and outlining styles. Those styles can also change depending on the individual project.
Above all, don't try to be "perfect" from the get-go. Loosen up so your story can get out there.
Finally, I want to point you to several series of posts by professional writers. One is Laini Taylor's blog "Not for Robots," which is a terrific treatise on the writing craft:
notforrobots.blogspot.com/
Another is Lary (one 'r') Crews's comments on the Flickr "Writers" discussion board, on overcoming writer's block:
www.flickr.com/groups/354...scuss/1915/
Science fiction author Crawford Killian, who also teaches SF writing, has a very informative blog geared toward the craft at:
crofsblogs.typepad.com/fiction/
There's much more out there, but this should give you a general flavor of what's available.
Keep on keepin' on, keep your sense of wonder intact, and good luck! -- Elissa
P.S. Different spins of religious/spiritual ideas is an interest of mine, too. One of my favorite works about religion is Mircea Eliade's 3-volume set A History of Religious Ideas. The first book in my series (Deviations: Covenant, published by Aisling Press -- www.aislingpress.com ) is set in a community whose often troublesome religion traces its roots to a harsh ecological reality. Part of my inspiration came from anthropologist Michael Harner's article, "The ecological basis for Aztec sacrifice" (American Ethnologist 4(1), February 1977). -
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Mon, November 12, 2007 - 8:07 PMWow, that's a lot to take in all at once, but I appreciate it. Having read that, I believe I'm on the right track here! I'll have to check out some of those sources in my spare time. I find that if I feel a little blocked, I'll go to the outline and fill in some details. I make a thorough summary or a short version of where the story seems to be heading. I assume that stimulates my writing enough to pick up on the actual story version.
I'm learning about the whole can't-be-perfect-the-first-time thing. I find myself studying new ideas that flow with my story a lot better than what I originally had. I've had to go back through and make revisions several times and continue to do so.
I also see my voice changing because of what I am reading at the time. That is an interesting excersize because I get to see which one I do well and which seems to help the story best. -
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Tue, November 13, 2007 - 1:37 AM<<I'm learning about the whole can't-be-perfect-the-first-time thing. I find myself studying new ideas that flow with my story a lot better than what I originally had.>>
Once you can turn off the internal censor and flow with the ideas, you're on your way, definitely.
<<I also see my voice changing because of what I am reading at the time. That is an interesting excersize because I get to see which one I do well and which seems to help the story best.>>
That happens quite a lot at first. Your voice will "settle" with more experience. My voice still "changes," but I find nowadays that what I'm reading mostly affects the genre I feel like writing, and within genres I've attained a relatively steady tone.
Good luck! Welcome to the weird life! ;-)
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Tue, November 13, 2007 - 12:21 PMI am in the same boat or maybe the own floating next to yours.=) Between work, family, and life I don't get to write nearly as much as I want. I started my first story in years(other than for classes or nieces and nephews) last year around this time. I am nowhere near finished with the first draft but chipping away at it as often as I can. Elisa had some great suggestions(she always does!). I am going to use them for my own evil purposes as well. This is a great tribe to bounce ideas off of or just to vent/boast. Welcome to the tribe and the wonderful world of writing.=) -
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Tue, November 13, 2007 - 2:45 PMThanks, I'm really enjoying my time on tribe and with this particular tribe specifically. Yeah, I think I started this story several years ago and have scrapped idea after idea. The current rendition I've got going right now has been in the works for 3 years now, I think.
It is nice to write when I can, though. At the very least, I feel like it is a theraputic process.
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Wed, December 5, 2007 - 6:20 AMHello Adam,
I know that you have received a lot of great ideas from others on this site (I am a little late in this reply, its what happens when you don't log in for about a month). I just wanted to say to never, ever give up. I have three ideas for stories rolling around in my head, and am currently working only on one, but as Terry Brooks said in his book, "Sometimes the Magic Works", good ideas for a plot are the hardest things sometimes to come by. I am not saying to try to work on three different pieces at once, that's a short road to insanity. What I am saying is that if, while using your journal, something strikes you as a good idea for a story, to jot it down. You can always go back and develop it later, or it may even show up later in the piece you are currently working. If you don't write it down, you are more likely to forget the nuances that made it such a good idea in the first place.
Secondly, one of the best things I have done is to outline the chapter that I am planning to write before I begin to write it. This can help to keep you "on track." It will help to quell the urge to delve into things that are not necessary to the plot or the story, and can help you to keep rewrites (ugh) to a minimum.
Third, remember that this is your story. You may get some really good critiques on your writing, but be true to how you see the story developing, and how you planned to have it conclude. Don't be rigid, but don't be overly flexible about how you plan to finish your work, because someone else sees a different ending.
Keep going with what you've got, and develop it until your satisfied. I believe that if I make one person smile, or crave more of the story, I have done a good job. Use everything you have at your disposal, including the great ideas already given to you on this site, and you'll get those craving, smiling readers too. -
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Wed, December 5, 2007 - 4:27 PMthanks, George! That makes a lot of sense. -
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Thu, December 6, 2007 - 2:26 PMjust write, plain and simple. If you have to think about it and be like "ok I wrote this, now what am I supposed to do?" or "how am I supposed to start" then writing might not be for you.
I'm a firm believer that everyone can write, but not everyone can WRITE. Know what I mean? WRITING is a talent that comes from deep inside and not everyone has it and when you do have it it just comes out without any effort or thought. Using books like "Elements of Style" helped to develope good grammar, but good grammar doesn't make a writer. -
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Fri, December 7, 2007 - 8:05 PMWell, I'm really feeling some excitement here - I am almost finished with my first book! I'm hoping this is just the beginning. In fact, I'd like to have this book be the first in a double trilogy. The writing experience has really been rewarding.
Thanks, everyone for your help and encouragement.
I guess I'll be needing a publisher soon! I hear that's the next big challenge. -
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Sat, December 8, 2007 - 9:53 AMthat's the real challange for a writer. Check out the book Literary Market Place from your local library to find a list of agents to send your manuscript to. Best bet to get published is to have an agent.
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Fri, December 21, 2007 - 4:21 PMCongrats on almost finishing. It's always nice to finally be able to write the end on any work you start :D
I skimmed through what everyone had to say and I'm not sure if it was mentioned. But a big thing that I like to keep in mind is; finish what you start. I know a couple friends that always try and finish any writing projects within the year. But such a thing doesn't work for everyone ;) Second, let a novel set for a few months before you go back to edit (I seem to let a novel sit for more then a few months... I need to fix that).
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Sat, December 22, 2007 - 12:44 PMThanks, yeah, I think I've found a method that is working for me. Basically, I write out a treatment so I know where the action is going, Then I just dive into the rough draft, writing out an actual story.
Now that I've actually come to the end of the book, I'm noticing the really obvious mistakes and parts where I'm blatently telling rather than showing. So I'm going back through to fix all that now.
At the end of the rough draft I had about 54 pages single spaced. I'm about 22 pages into that with the fixing stage and I'm really excited at how good it sounds...at least to me. I'm starting to feel that excited frustration where you want to just get to the next part but your fingers won't work fast enough to type what it takes to get to the next part.
I guess I have a little way to go before I need to consider hiring an agent :) -
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Sat, December 22, 2007 - 4:32 PMI've just started editing one of my novels it's going slow (though... might because i just don't like editing) it's hard to catch all the little misstakes and then add to the story onto of the actual editing. Novel i'm working on needs a good 10,000 or more words too.. eek! -
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 10:30 AMTO: "C" - You're on the right track. Don't worry about the editing until you're through with your first draft. Some successful novels were written by authors who are terrible at editing. If it's good, publishers will worry about the editing.
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Mon, January 21, 2008 - 7:27 PMPut your ass in your writing chair on a regular basis
Write characters that are three dimensional and who you both know things about and *want* to know things about.
Remember that just because you know something, the reader doesn't always need to know it.
As much as you love your baby, when someone tells you it has warts, take a good luck.
Research is a good thing.
Using a counter trope a minute is as bad as using a trope a minute.
Study good writing, study bad writing.